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Same-sex attraction and Robert Gallaty

September 9th, 2014

A same-sex-attracted friend of mine recently posted about a message given by Tennessee pastor Robby Gallaty that purportedly says gay people should be killed. I listened to the message and the church was gracious enough to send me a transcript. 98% of the message is really good stuff. 2% is (I believe) he got excited and didn’t realize what he was saying. I have a question out to them to clarify one point. If you’d like a copy of the transcript, email me at beth at gotquestions dot org. If we get a lot of questions about it, I’ll write up a review for Blogos.

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  • Kristi-Joy Matovich thanks much for the info about this. I’ve seen that link too.
    September 4 at 8:04pm · Like · 2
  • Stuart Mattfield If we take the emotion out of the issue (which I acknowledge is hard to do), we can address the issue of homosexuality and what a proper response is by replacing usage of the word with the word sin. How we handle sin in our midst is important and is part of our definition.
    September 4 at 8:05pm · Like · 1
  • Elizabeth DeVore He addressed that near the end when he called out pastors who speak against homosexuality but indulge in gluttony and pornography.
    September 4 at 9:44pm · Like · 1
  • NV Harder Elizabeth, intergenerationally, my blended family of origin on both sides has been involved in pedophila for many years, long before Kinsey’s so-called research unethically used LGBT and heterosexual pedophiles to abuse babies, toddlers, and children because Americans will fund anything in the name of science (Romans Chapter 1). That includes research on gluttony and pornography.
    September 4 at 10:07pm · Edited · Like · 1
  • Robert Pristoop Truth is only hate to those who hate the truth. That is the title of my sermon against the unholy trinity of homosexuality, gay marriage and abortion. In my sermon I ask of it is ok for a husband to commit adultery, or a woman indulge in prostitution, or to allow your son to rob for college monies. The obvious answer is no! Any one who loves the Lord can not tell someone that their sin–any sin– is OK. I then remind people of the man who was born blind and the disciples ask Jesus-Who sinned that he was born blind-him or his parents. And Jesus answered neither sinned. He was born that way to overcome his disability and give glory to God. We are all born with sinful desires. It is overcoming those desires in the power of the risen Lord that glorifies our God and from where our strength is renewed. All sin-from lying to adultery to fornication to homosexuality is a sin and I would never tell anyone that their sin is OK with God. I will love them, break bread with them, and witness in love to them but I will never tell anyone that their sin–any sin– is OK with God. I am held accountable if I misrepresent the Word of God and I don’t take that responsibility lightly.
    September 5 at 8:52am · Like · 5
  • Steve Ray Webb NV Harder, I’m starting to think that you and Job of the Old Testament have a lot in common! What a life you have had.
    September 5 at 11:11am · Like · 2
  • NV Harder Steve, I am not certain I have the patience of Job but my husband, who says I am adopted, calls me Jeremiah. I believe he is correct, since I am a Christian and my first name is French for grace.
    September 5 at 11:27am · Edited · Like · 1
  • NV Harder Lest anyone doubt my qualifications to speak on this matter, the following information is provided to avoid whitewashing the issue. In order to rehabilitate him as a teenager found molesting a three year old girl, my father was sent to the same Roman Catholic Church seminary, St. Joseph’s Seminary in Holy Trinity, AL, as his oldest brother, a priest 17 years his senior who was ordained there at the age of 30. My uncle’s name is included in the list of priests sued in the RCC church scandal before he died in retirement at St. Luke’s in Silver Spring, MD. See http://bishop-accountability.org/…/PriestDBbylastName-E…

    September 5 at 2:54pm · Like
  • NV Harder A discussion with my husband about this brought up one last thing. The fallen world is so obsessed with justification of individual and corporate sins “as all the same in God’s eye’s in deserving of the same punishment (i.e., death [Romans 6:23])” that it ignores the law, which is meant to prescribe temporal punishment as a consequence of sin based upon the weightiness of the crime to prevent it from spreading to others. Seehttp://www.renewamerica.com/columns/duke/041202.

    The re-whitewashing of pedophile Alfred Kinsey

    www.renewamerica.com

    Hollywood has long been a purveyor of cultural poison, and a magnet for individu…See More
    September 5 at 10:01pm · Edited · Like · 1
  • NV Harder Marc, I have not heard this pastor’s sermon but even if 2% of his sermon on homosexuality was life threatening, I think that is 2% too much. In this life, we all sin, so, simply stating that permanently unrepentant sinners of any kind will end up in hell fire is sufficient, as far as I am concerned. However, openly addressing self-perpetuating societal problems within the fallen family of mankind is not gossip. The church as a body should not condone sin of any kind, particularly that which epigenetically subjects human genetics from womb to tomb to adverse childhood experiences (ACEs) during critical growth periods of the developmental life span, which leads to sundry chronic diseases into adulthood (Matthew 18:6). See http://stjoholytrinity.webs.com/.

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    September 6 at 1:48am · Like
  • NV Harder I came across this excellent article from a counselor regarding the cyclical nature of the aforementioned sins and their impact on society. Seehttp://www.communitycounselingservices.org/…/view_doc…

    Pedophile Priests: Monstrous But Not Monsters – Sexual Disorders

    www.communitycounselingservices.org

    We were split on how we interpreted the motivations behind these terrible and ab…See More
    September 6 at 5:49pm · Like
  • Alyson Dreyer Did I miss something? I didn’t see anything wrong with the transcript. It was Biblical, the pastor kept the focus on caring for people, admitted that we all sin and pointed out that if we have obvious sin in our lives it is better not to play holier than thou. I found it well done and accurate.
    September 7 at 11:26am · Like
  • NV Harder Alyson, because you just referenced it, you must have gotten the actual transcript of this particular sermon from Beth and read it. I hope I did not come across as “holier than thou” in answering Beth’s summary in the initial post to this thread. Yet, I believe no part of a Christian sermon should advocate killing anyone because capital punishment is up to a court of law to decide. Yes, we all sin in thought, word, and deed. That is why the light of truth is necessary to give sinners hope that the Lord’s love will sustain complete forgiveness, if they just let go of focusing in upon themselves and not the will of God in maintaining goodwill toward others. However, the ongoing promotion of any sin in the lusts of the eyes and flesh or pride of life in the assembled body of Christ of saved sinners is a cancer that must be recognized, confessed, and repented of in a sanctifying corkscrew of faith in U-turns back to the will of God. On the other hand, to those who are continually insistent on perishing in their favorite sins by calling the Living Lord God of the living a liar, the cross will always be an offense. For those of us believers with family members in such an unsaved and rebellious state, we pray that the Holy Spirit will still peck at their callous-unemotional (CU) hardened heart-minds until their pride is broken with the denial to act out in their obsession of and compusion with the desires of their own flesh.
    September 7 at 1:39pm · Edited · Like
  • Jimmy Turner Here is a response to pastor Robby from within the homosexual community that attempts a more nuanced understanding of the message: http://outandaboutnashville.com/…/opinion…/50379…

    Opinion: In Defense of Pastor Robby Gallaty

    outandaboutnashville.com

    Well, Sort of…
    September 7 at 2:14pm · Like · 1
  • NV Harder The problem with diffusion of responsibility in regard to sin within the church is that no one deals with their own sin let alone that of others.
    September 7 at 2:42pm · Like
  • NV Harder The problem with the fundamental attribution error (FAE) within the church is that double standards lead to the distraction of endless finger-pointing.
    Yesterday at 7:16am · Edited · Like
  • NV Harder The above article “Pedophile Priests: Monstrous But Not Monsters – Sexual Disorder” addresses the similarites and differences of sins. Any sin is an absolute unit measure of transgression in God’s eyes keeping anyone out of heaven and separated from relationship with Him unless it is forgiven. There are, however, progressively weightier sins, which bring significant harm to self and others across the intergenerational human lifespan (e.g., adverse childhood experiences [ACEs]), leading to more severe temporal consequences in this life. Confusing the two is a huge problem.
    September 7 at 3:11pm · Edited · Like
  • NV Harder Jimmy, there are not too many of us heterosexual believers that were raised by LGBT parents and/or reared LGBT and/or heterosexual children who do not still love their family members who vehemently disagree with them. “Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.” ~ Warren W. Wiersbe
    September 7 at 3:31pm · Edited · Like · 1
  • Alyson Dreyer Nanette, the only mention of killing someone was a direct quote from Scripture in mentioning the punishment for certain sexual sins. The entire sermon was very lovingly presented with continual plea to treat all people as bearers of the image of God. There was a caution about hypocrisy saying it would be stupid for a gluttonous pastor to sound judgmental toward someone with same sex attraction issues. You never sound judgmental. You are a much appreciated sister.
    September 7 at 10:27pm · Like · 1
  • NV Harder Alyson, I truly thank God for my Christian family. In particular, your kindness and wisdom always astonish me. Thank you.
    Yesterday at 7:21am · Edited · Like
  • Dillon Burroughs This article covers it pretty well from a secular viewpointhttp://outandaboutnashville.com/…/opinion-defense…/50379

    Opinion: In Defense of Pastor Robby Gallaty

    outandaboutnashville.com

    Well, Sort of…
    Yesterday at 7:22am · Like · 1
  • NV Harder Dillon, certainly the article was more supportive of the pastor’s sermon apparently leaning more toward the problems of DOR (e.g., murder of Kitty Genovese) than FAE (e.g., Salem Witch Trials) and confusion of how God deals with unrepentant sin into eternity and how mankind deals with sin under the law in this temporal life (e.g., mandatory reporting of child abuse by church leadership in not harboring criminals and promoting criminality or not). The article was also a bit disingenuous over the pastor’s use of the same erroneous statistics of Kinsey’s unethical research that the LGBT community largely supports found in the LGBT movement’s timeline starting in the first half of the 20th century.
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  • NV Harder No one is genetically born gay but they can be epigenetically traumatized. See http://www.charismanews.com/…/45308-no-one-is-born-gay.

    No One Is Born Gay

    www.charismanews.com

    Because the “born gay” idea has proved so useful, the fact that there’s virtually no scientific support for the theory hardly matters. It’s an idea that has worked wonders for gay activists and their allies.

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